Deutschland – Kaiserreich

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The result was keep‎. and rename to Murder of Andrea O'Donnell. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per WP:BIO1E and WP:PERP. Zero notability outside murder. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and California. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: rename to “Murder of Andrea O’Donnell” or something similar. An option with BIO1E is to just make an article on the event. Coverage is about abuse and truth serum as well as the murder; whole book here, as well as a page of analysis here and probably more than that here. One of the books is 20 years later (in 2011), giving lasting coverage. Mrfoogles (talk) 23:43, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, I don't think the individual is notable (per nom), but the murder/case seems to be notable, and therefore moving the article to Murder of Andrea O'Donnell seems like a better way forward, and an ATD. Would the nom agree? Aszx5000 (talk) 09:29, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - seems to be, unfortunately, just another routine murder, which would fall under WP:NOTNEWS.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  But does the legal implications of the murder and the truth serum coverage sway you? Aszx5000 (talk) 12:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  No, not really. Stuff like that happens all the time, although I understand your viewpoint. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep & rename to Murder of Andrea O'Donnell. The perpetrator is not notable, but the case is. – bradv 00:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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